Operation Downfall, part two
In a memo from the Undersecretary of the Navy, a project named “Dagwood” was mentioned, but I am unable to locate any details. MacArthur sent out a deceptive message (with slip-shot secrecy) to be intercepted by the Japanese called “Pastel Two.” This showed a detailed “plan” about Allied landings on the China coast. The Panama Canal had a steady stream of ships loaded with men, equipment and supplies. Seven more atomic bombs were on order for “Operation Olympic” British, Canadian and Australian divisions were to be re-equipped with American weapons and logistical support to standardize the entire operation. The Allied planners felt they would ultimately involve 5 million men. (Operation Overlord in Europe totaled 150,000 men and 1,500 tanks.) They expected opposition from 5,000 kamikazes, which proved later to be correct. The main objective for “Olympic” would be to secure Kagoshima Wan; a great landlocked bay for which men and supplies would flow through for the post-invasion buildup.
Operation Coronet would follow Olympic on 1 March 1946 and would be a more massive invasion. The main objective then would be Tokyo Bay on Honshu.
The Naval plans were also far too complex for me to completely list here, but to give you an idea – Halsey’s Third Fleet was assigned eastern Honshu and the Fifth Fleet would take western Honshu, Kyushu and Shikoku. The Seventh Fleet would be at Korea (south of the 38th parallel) and Admiral Fletcher’s North Pacific Force would cover Hokkaido.
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After the fall of Saipan, Japan knew they were forced to strengthen their homeland defenses. Yet this progress was moving slowly; labor was scarce, with the lack of fuel their mobilization was slow, production, food and weapons were decreasing rapidly. The country was becoming very tired of war. Covering the Japanese islands were four ground armies of eight divisions and 14 cadre divisions; plus three air defense divisions. Immense manpower groups were expected to bring this to 56 divisions, 38 brigades, somewhere in the vicinity of 2 million new men. War materiel was to be brought in from Manchuria. The Japanese plan of defense was called “Ketsu-Go.”
I realize the map is difficult to view even after you click on it, but try to see the black squares which represent Japanese defenses with artillery.
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The 11th Airborne, training the reinforcements and handling the “mopping-up” details on Luzon were beginning to set odds on whether or not the war would end before “Olympic” went into play. The combined “Operation Downfall” was a “go” up until the ink on the surrender papers dried.
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From Paul Putnam for his father Robert, a veteran of the 11th Airborne Division.
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Military Humor – WW I Style –
Not much different than WWII, eh?
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Farewell Salutes –
Warren “Bill” Allen – Spofford, NH; USMC, WWII, air traffic comptroller
Margaret “Marty” Bartholomew (102) – Toledo, OH; US Army WAC, WWII, PTO, 1st Lt.
H. John Davis Jr. (103) – Pittsburgh, PA; US Army Air Corps, WWII, Sgt.
Kenneth Ellsworth – Elkhorn, WI; US Merchant Marines, WWII
Nathan Isaacs – Winnipeg, CAN; RC Air Force, WWII, ETO, navigator
Betty (Hale) Johnson – Wichita, KS; Civilian, WWII, Beech Aircraft
Victor Kester (102) – Revere, MA; US Navy, WWII
Richard J. Lewis – Burlington, MD; US Army, Korea, 187th RCT
Walter Minick – Elmhurst, IL; USMC, WWII
Hiroshi “Johnny” Okura (100) – HI; US Army, WWII, ETO, Bat A/522/442nd Division
Robert Weaver Sr. – Philadelphia, PA; US Navy, WWII & Korea
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Posted on September 5, 2022, in SMITTY, Uncategorized, WWII and tagged 1940's, Army, family history, History, Military, Military History, Navy, Operation Downfall, Pacific War, WW2, WWII. Bookmark the permalink. 75 Comments.
Thank you again for the history and insights, GP!
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You’re welcome. I hope you get a smile or two from the humor after reading so much about war.
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I do! 🙂
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Als ik naar de kaart met de zwarte blokjes keek met de met de Japanse artillerie verdediging kan ik me niet ontdoen van de mening dat daar iedereen werd ingezet en er zo geen manschappen genoeg waren om verdediging aan de andere zijde in te vullen en die over te laten aan de marine.
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Dat is een interessante kijk erop, Mary Lou. Daar moet ik over nadenken. Dank je.
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Sorry, GP! I’d missed this posting. The Japanese definitely were strong. Best wishes, Michael
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No problem, Michael. I can see how busy you have been lately.
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Reblogged this on NEW BLOG HERE >> https:/BOOKS.ESLARN-NET.DE.
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Thank you, Michael.
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http://gostudyindia.school.blog/2022/09/12/baby-bollywood/
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Thank you.
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The number of Japanese defenses is staggering.
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Yes, they are. Everyone thought they were down and out by this point.
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My dad would have been 18 on Jan 8, 1946. He planned to join the Marines then (his mother wouldn’t sign for him any earlier). Luckily, by the time he could sign up, the war was over.
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Yes, he was most certainly lucky!!
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Thanks again for the insight.
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My pleasure.
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The mention of the Japanese people becoming tired of war certainly makes sense. We don’t hear much about that–or at least I haven’t in the past. Now I wonder if some of the ‘histories’ I’ve read in the past made the Japanese seem more generally ‘gung-ho’ than they actually were: perhaps to make our forces’ victories seem even more remarkable. (No need for that, for sure!)
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They had been fighting for at least 5 years before we got into the mix, plus, their government by then had taken over the schools, media, etc. As far as they knew, they were defending themselves. Even the Emperor wasn’t always told the truth.
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All these elaborate plans – and nothing happened.
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It was an US vs Them kind of situation. This plan or 2 A-bombs.
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Understandable.
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Reblogged this on History and Hobby and commented:
My father was being trained for the Invasion of Japan. He was drafted in 1945 as soon as he turned 18. He was told right from the start where he would go since the war in Europe had ended.
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Thank you, Bruce.
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There must be some good reason for the lack of defenses on Japan’s west coast. The Americans surely knew it was lightly defended. Still the plan was to attack the strongly defended east coast. The presence or absence of suitable beaches and easier access to major industrial and political centers might be part of it. As others have said, it is good the plans were never used.
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All in all, that’s what it boils down to, John. I think of these plans as a sign of what people are capable of when in a war-mode. With today’s technology, I can’t even image!!
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Reblogged this on John Cowgill's Literature Site.
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Thank you, John.
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You are very welcome.
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Fortunately the surrender intervened
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OH YES INDEED!!!
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GP, for those interested, found a really Great Read about Operation Dragoon in WW2:
https://history.army.mil/brochures/sfrance/sfrance.htm
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Southern France doesn’t actually apply here, but being that it is history, your link will remain.
Thank you for thinking of Pacific Paratrooper!
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Thanks, GP. This post causes all of us to wonder what would have happened if the US had to invade Japan. My dad was carrier based and going on bombing runs to Tokyo, so I imagine he would have been there for the invasion. G;lad it ended when it did
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Yes, he most definitely would have been there, John. We are all happy about the loss of this operation!!
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😊
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Good that they still had plans – just in case they were needed. I was surprised that they had plans for the Allies to have 5 million troops involved still at this late date.
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These plans were not scrubbed until the surrender was signed. My father’s unit was the first into Japan and they were equipped for battle – just in case.
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I was surprised by the large number of troops as well.
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Thank goodness that the Japanese finally surrendered. They would not have been worth the life of a single Allied serviceman.
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The fate of that country was in the hands of a few power-hungry men who spent their time duping their own country. Thank goodness the Emperor finally saw the truth.
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Wow. Staggering costs.
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Incredible, isn’t it?!!
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Overwhelming.
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I would be interested in the details of the deceptive message MacArthur had sent out. If you find them, let us know in another post, GP.
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I shall Peter. I thank you for your interest.
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I located Operation Pastel and added this link to the post.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Pastel
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Thanks for the link, GP!
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Any time I can help, Peter.
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Can you just imagine the sheer logistics of all that!
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I sure can’t! lol
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When everything is ok when i come back home from hospital you hear me again.Sorry
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Maak je nergens zorgen over, Mary. Je zorgt gewoon voor jezelf – DAT is de prioriteit!
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glad they didn’t have to use these plans
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You and me both, Beth. I probably wouldn’t be here, along with many other baby boomers.
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The lack of western defenses probably was initially because Americans most likely would send the majority of their forces from the east; the western defenses were put off till resources to build them up were scarce to nonexistent. Just a wild guess. Plus, as Americans found with the island defenses south of the Japanese mainland, the Japanese had abundant defenses dug in, requiring huge efforts by the Americans to wade through.
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Right you are, Doug. Plus the Japanese has tons of war materiel hidden beneath the islands, just in case they were invaded.
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Thank heavens the Japanese surrendered before the having to land on Japan. What a slaughter that would have been. Love the ‘toons. Rhetorical question, if we can make strong allies from both the Japanese and the Germans, then why can’t we do the same with our fellow Americans?
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There always seems to be another agenda to take care of, our fellow Americans are always last – why? I have no idea.
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Maybe finger pointing is more fun or easier than compromise? 😉
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Of course it is! 😖
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I’ve studied the Japanese defensive locations map for several minutes and still wonder about their lack of wisdom regarding the dearth of defenses on their western coasts. The northern and southern points are well defended. But the other western locales are pretty much open. I’m guessing the Imperial Navy cruised in the Sea of Japan, but their navy was only a ghost of its former glory days. Their defensive outlook was quite bleak.
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I’ve wondered about that myself, Swabby. I’m going to check into some of the Japanese info again. I’ll let you know if I find an answer for us.
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That would be great. Thanks.
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Dad’s orders were for Saipan, September 1945. I’m thankful he didn’t have to go. (PS – covid here, both of us)
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Please take care, Joy. As you know, it’s nothing to fool around with.
I thank you for making the effort to come by.
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I am so glad those plans did not have to be put into action. The outcome of the war would not have changed, but so many senseless deaths would have been piled on the already staggering number.
Thank you for your labor, GP in putting these posts together and telling a story that should never be forgotten.
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Thank you, Dan, for the use of your flag and for all you do for us each day!
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You are always welcome to use any photo. That’s a perfect use of the flag.
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Yes, it is after all, sitting in your Veteran’s Park.
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Thank you, Ned.
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Thank you, Brian.
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I appreciate you connecting to this episode of history and your kind words.
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