Potsdam Conference, part one
“Operation Iceberg,” the invasion of Okinawa began on 1 April 1945 and would basically end on 22 June. Many are unaware that small skirmishes continued even after the 11th Airborne Division landed on that island. But … as we enter into July, others matters begin to develop.
Harry S. Truman did not have the outstanding record that most people look for in a president. He had poor eyesight and was unable to complete a 4-year college. Later, he failed as the owner/operator of a small mining and oil business, as a farmer and then as a haberdasher. (In my opinion, that only left politics as an option.) HST was elected to the Senate with the assistance of the corrupt Thomas J. Pendergast and proved to be an unimportant legislator. His only military achievement was in successfully tightening up the discipline of the rag-tag outfit he was given. He was chosen as the Vice-Presidential candidate because southern democrats liked him and FDR needed those votes. (I’m afraid these facts were located during research, they are not my own thoughts – unless specified.)
This was the man sent to Germany, sailing on the “Augusta” with Secretary of State, James Byrnes and Admiral Leahy to attend the Potsdam Conference to begin on 17 July 1945. The primary agenda for the massive meeting dealt with the revision of the German-Soviet-Polish borders and the expulsion of several million Germans from the disputed territories. The code name for this conference was “Terminal,” with Stalin, Churchill and Truman representing the three major powers.
16 July was significant in that the Atomic bomb was successfully tested, exploding the equivalent of 20,000 tons of TNT and a blast point of 750 degrees F. Oppenheimer would then prepare the test results for his report to Henry Stimson in Potsdam. Truman confided the news to Churchill and the two rulers instantly decided that at least two bobs would be dropped on Japan. This decision was made despite the arguments of Adm. Leahy, General “Hap” Arnold and Gen. Dwight Eisenhower who strongly spoke against it’s use, calling it completely unnecessary. Many of the scientists that worked on the Manhattan Project felt that such a dramatic scientific discovery should not be used. The petition, “…the liberated forces of nature for the purpose of destruction … open the door to an era of devastation …,” was signed by 57 scientists. They had the foresight to visualize the nuclear problems that we face today, but their qualms went unheeded.
The Potsdam Proclamation demanded the unconditional surrender of Japan, but did not make mention of two clearly important issues – (1) that the atomic bomb was is existence and (2) whether or not the Emperor would retain his seat in the palace. Both of these provisions would have clarified the true situation for the Japanese Army. Many, on-site at Potsdam, believe that the Japanese were purposely and maliciously misguided.
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Farewell Salutes –
Paul Aubry – Saratoga Springs, NY; US Army Air Corps, WWII, radar repair
Thomas Austin Sr. – Greenville, SC; US Army, WWII, ETO, 12th Armored Division
Ellery Engell – Erie, PA; US Navy, WWII, PTO, Sea Bees
William W. Fitz – Dedham, MA; US Army Air Corps, WWII, PTO, 11th Airborne Division
David A. Gockowski Sr. – Bellevue, NE; US Air Force, CMSgt. (Ret.), WWII, Korea, Vietnam
Hilda (Morrison) Harned – Hodgenville, KY; US Navy, WWII, nurse
Gordon Kemp – Peterborough, NH; US Navy, WWII, PTO radar repair
William Nichols – Lima, OH; US Navy, WWII, ETO & PTO
Robert H. Reilly – NYC, NY; USMC, WWII & Korea, 1st Lt.
Elizabeth Alexandra Mary (Windsor) – Mayfair, London; Auxiliary Territorial Service, WWII / 70 year British Monarch
Thaddeus Zawilinski – Amsterdam, NY; US Army, West Point Academy
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Posted on September 12, 2022, in SMITTY, Uncategorized, WWII and tagged 1940's, Army, family history, History, Japan, Military, Military History, Navy, Pacific War, Potsdam, WW2, WWII. Bookmark the permalink. 123 Comments.
Oorlogen gaan steeds over geld,politiek en geloof.
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Je hebt zo gelijk. Ik vind het zo moeilijk voor politici om van de geschiedenis te leren.
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The ugly truth about politics. Sigh! We don’t seem to learn from anything about our past mistakes and yet another war is ongoing today.
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Humans just seem to be incapable of learning tact, they revert to violence at every step.
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Even chimps wage war. The account is pretty horrific.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gombe_Chimpanzee_War
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Good article, Lavinia. Thanks!
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Just my personal thought, but I believe anyone who ordered the dropping of those bombs was haunted for the rest of their days. I just can’t imagine.
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He was not bothered, as he knew he had saved far more ( on both sides) than the bombs killed.
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That’s wars for you.
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And we don’t seem to learn from them. What does that say about us?
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Don’t know exactly.
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How interesting! I applaud your opinion that after Truman’s failed academics and jobs, politics was the only option. I’m sorry that it is still true today. I look forward to Part 2.
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haha, that’s how I feel about that profession as well, Jennie.
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Me, too!
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I’ve read that the fire-bombing of Japan led by Gen Lemay , etc. was even more devastating in lost civilian lives than the A-bombs , although , of course , over a longer time span . Lots of issues to consider in this history .
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Yes. Most of the destruction you see in photos was done by earlier bombings.
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War is hell and more so when politicians are involved.
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Who do you think start the wars?
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You find more and more points of interest about this era, GP. I hope you’ve had a good week. Hugs on the wing.
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Thank you, Teagan.

Yes, I have had a good week. I appreciate you asking. I hope yours went well also.
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wow,
I learned a lot
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Happy to hear that. Thank you.
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An ad hominem argument against use of the atomic bomb against Japan with Truman as the target is inappropriate.
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I am not targeting Truman. In fact, if he didn’t drop the bombs, I probably wouldn’t be here. It was his lack of thought on dropping them that concerned me. What if we had leaders who took that decision so casually?
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The long-term effects of radiation were unknown/poorly understood at that time even by scientists. Anyway, a person’s thoughts are only known to the individual.
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Very true. All too often we forget that.
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This is so interesting and sigh/ politics can be so layered !!
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haha, That’s a nice way to put it! Politics drives me nuts – plus boring.
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Same here
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Politicians always end up doing what will be profitable for them either in fame or fortune. Sadly, they are all similar after they have been in the game for a while. Too bad they couldn’t have talked with Japan and negotiated a more peaceful settlement.
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You do speak the truth, Bev. Thank you.
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I’ve always been fascinated by the Pendergast machine, and Truman’s relationship to him. This is a short but fascinating account that includes Truman’s own response to those who felt his association with Pendergast was, shall we say, less than on the up-and-up. My mother’s side of the family lived in Kansas City, and my uncle had some stories to tell. Some of them I never heard, because the children always were sent away when the stories were told — in hushed tones. I saw David McCullough’s bio of Truman mentioned; it really is a masterpiece.
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I never knew the Pendergast machine was as powerful as it was. Thank you for educating me – this explains a lot.
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Explained a lot for me too and learned so much today – thanks shore-acres and G
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My pleasure.
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😊🙏
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The biography of Harry Truman by David McCullough is a masterpiece. It gives a full account of Truman’s contributions and decisions. As senator, Truman introduced critical accountability in the US war machine, saving billions of dollars and limiting graft and waste. I agree the Japanese were misled, but perhaps mostly by their own generals who fed to the emperor hyperbole about Japanese victories and capabilities. Ultimately, all parties to war suffer deceit, error, massive human suffering, and unintended consequences. And ultimately Naziism did not take over the world. Thanks for your research and perspectives.
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I appreciate yours as well, Roger. I did cover the part about the Japanese misleading the Emperor, etc, but back in other posts. I am guilty of of not repeating it here. Thank you for that contribution.
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It was surprising to learn that the heads of the armed forces were against dropping the A-bombs because their use likely saved hundreds of thousands of military casualties. I don’t disagree with the decision, but political considerations may have outweighed military ones. If Japan had developed A-bombs first and used them against American cities but still lost the war, I bet the U.S. would have deemed their use to be a war crime. Your posts are always interesting and enlightening.
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Thank you. I love when the posts encourage people to do their research, get them to think and/or contribute info here.
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👍👍👍
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A sobering account of the end of WWII. I had no idea Truman’s background was so lackluster.
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I didn’t bother mentioning his “Napoleon complex” because of his height and he was prone to name-calling. IMO, politicians haven’t changed their ‘character’ in centuries.
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Speaking of the Napolean complex, I was just reading Dostoyevski’s chapters from Napoleon’s point of view in War and Peace. Dostoyevski absolutely skewers him as a fat, egomaniacal buffoon.
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But it is funny that the short-complex is attributed to him. He was 5′ 7″, which was normal to tall for that era.
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You’re right! I hadn’t thought about that.
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Such an enlightening post, GP
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Thank you, Derrick.
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It is the most grotesque and barbaric indictment of the U.S. political system that a college dropout and failed businessman had the power to mass murder 300,000 human beings, many if not most innocent civilians, women and children, and for which Truman never expressed any regret. Many argue it was the only way to stop the Japanese. Call me an unrealistic humanitarian (and correct me if I’m wrong) but there had to be another way.
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The Japanese did attempt to negotiate, but they had been ignored. In an alternative history scenario, who knows what would have transpired.
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I shouldn’t comment further because I haven’t studied the details, but, again, if, as you say, U.S. politicians ignored all ‘Japanese attempts at negotiations,’ the blame for the carnage falls back in the lap of the bloody politicians. The horror of dropping those two atom bombs should have haunted the corrupt Truman to his grave at 88, but that was not the case.
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No, it definitely was not. I copied quotes from him in a much earlier post – “In a 1958 interview, Truman was asked about the soul-searching decision he went through to decide on dropping the bomb. He replied, “Hell no, I made it like _ (snapped his fingers) _ that!” One year later at Columbia University, he said, “The atom bomb was no great decision.” He likened it to a larger gun.
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The hell you say, well, I would call that moron a motherf*cker.
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There will always be a debate on the pros and cons of dropping Atomic bombs. But with the Japanese mentality of fighting to the end, there was no other way we could end the war without dropping the bombs.
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Unfortunately, I have to agree. Being as our politicians ignored any Japanese attempt at negotiations, the bombs did save lives.
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Reblogged this on John Cowgill's Literature Site.
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Thank you, John.
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You are very welcome.
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Despite a very unimpressive portfolio, he became the right man for the right time to secure a successful post war strategy.
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Thanks, Carl. When it comes to politics and politicians, I try to stay neutral because frankly, I don’t like any.
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I can always rely on you for well researched posts on the events of that period. Many thanks.
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My pleasure, Helen. Thank you very much.
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An excellent report of the fact, GP. The bombs were horrific and the alternatives even more so.
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An excellent way to put it, John. Thank you.
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😊
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It never ceases to amaze me how much communist USSR distorted history. This is not what we learned at school. Thank you for the truth, GP.
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The Japanese had quite a twist on history too. Even with today’s technology people are misinformed. But of course no one should believe everything they read on the internet either.
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Certainly. As my cousin, retired artillery major, who watches both Russian and Ukrainian TV, keeps saying, “Both are lying.” He communicates with friends on both sides, so he knows.
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I knew there HAD to be, but couldn’t prove it. Thank you, Dolly.
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Always my pleasure, GP.
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It is a horrible thought; however, given the extensive damage already inflicted with the B-29 firebombings, the Japanese refusal to cease hostilities, and the unthinkable casualties resulting from invading, only continued B-29 raids may have caused them to surrender, with incalculable damage and loss of life. Note this article: https://www.historyonthenet.com/bombing-of-tokyo
Therefore, use of the Atomic bombs was the only solution.
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The only statement I can think of at this moment is – They were a necessary evil.
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Wheels and cogs…
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And round and round they go ….
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Thank you, GP, for this enlightening post. You do a great job.
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Thank you very much. I try to get most of the facts in as short a post as possible. I don’t want people to get bored.
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Nice to see a farewell mention for WW2 service of Queen Elizabeth, then a young Princess.
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I would have been quite remiss to leave Her Majesty out of the Salutes. I can not rightly say how I feel about Charles and Camellia.
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About C & C.. well I could say how I feel about them but it would be impolite, shall we say haha.
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I fully understand. 🤪
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Racism seems to have reared its ugly head. On the plus side it may have helped save Smitty’s life… There are better and worse alternatives, but rarely perfect alternatives. Good ‘toons.
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Most of the damage and destruction you’ve seen of those cities was due to the fire bombs, etc we threw at them all during the war. If they weren’t eager to surrender by then, what else could have been the choice? Our government had it Hawks and power-hungry components too.
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Good points. I have heard that it wasn’t going to be dropped in Europe.
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Oh they wouldn’t have dared! Too many had relatives in Europe!
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Great point. Never thought of that.
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A very interesting blogpost and thank you for sharing it with us. Everybody always seems to get hot under the collar about the dropping of those two atomic bombs but why do they not bother about the use of napalm on Japanese civilians in 1945, carried out under the command of Curtis LeMay. One description was that “the US firebombing campaign destroyed 180 square miles of 67 cities, killed more than 300,000 people and injured an additional 400,000, figures that exclude the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.”
As far as I am concerned, the atomic bombs themselves saved a huge number of Allied lives and were therefore entirely justified.
A final point. Don’t forget that there are those who believe that we always forget the role of the Soviets who joined the war around this time. There is no way the Japanese would have wanted the red godless hordes to be on the sacred soil of Japan and, God forbid, to lay hands on the Emperor. THey would rather have surrendered…..
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Right on all counts, John. Thank you for contributing to the post.
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GP, I have always been fascinated with the events leading up to this earth-changing decision. Everyone at the table – then or now – has their own political agenda, individual ego, and moral code. And certainly, individuals also can land on both sides of the “sacrificing some for the greater good” rationale. Looking forward to your next post on this.
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There was also the fact that FDR started the program, secret cities and all, without the approval or even the knowledge of Congress. Truman wasn’t informed of the Manhattan Project until he was sworn in as President. Sooner or later it would have been discovered – and then how do you explain all that money being spent and no bombs were dropped?
Quite a dilemma, eh Bruce?
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Quite a dilemma indeed, GP!
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Reblogged this on Dave Does History*.
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Thank you, Dave.
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Yes, but there are estimates that the US would have lost 1 million men and at least 2 million Japanese would have been killed if we invaded the main islands. Probably not an exaggeration given the fanatic “fight-to-the-death” mentality of the Japanese army and the willingness of civilians to kill themselves rather than be captured by the “devil” Americans. It is also interesting to note that the Japanese civilian deaths from the fire-bombing of Japanese cites in the months before dropping the atomic bombs exceeded the deaths from the atomic bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined.
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Right on all counts, Lee.
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Thank you, GP, for the remainder of the important events in history.
Joanna
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We’re almost to the end of this world changing war, thank you for coming along for the ride!
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In these days when some reinvent history it is good to get the hard facts. Thanks GP.
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Thank you for your confidence, Mike. I do try.
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The power of such a failure, at this pivot, and yet, would we be here, if not for that despicable decision?
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I know my odds would not be good.
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Dear GP
Thank you very much for enlightening us about Truman and about the dropping of the atomic bomb. We had no idea about this background. We love your history lessons. At the same time, it makes us realise how little we know about recent history. and how little we were told about it in German schools.
Keep healthy and happy and many thanks again
The Fab Four of Cley
🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂
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Every country has its own slant on history, That’s why I always tell people to research ALL sides to the story.
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That’s so true!
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I forgot to mention that today is Hans Zimmer’s birthday, 12 September 1957.
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Thanks a lot, dear GP, to let us know.
Keep well and happy
The Fab Four of Cley
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Sincerely my pleasure!! 😉
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Much appreciated, Michael!
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Thanks as well for the information, GP! Please allow me a question. What do you think about the Polish thoughts on a former planned cooperation of Russia and Germany, to put the USA out of Europe? 😉
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Europe has always requested US intervention to help and protect them – should they feel that Russia can do a better job, what can I say?
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There must have been many sleepless nights for scientists and powerful individuals grappled with the atomic bomb quandry. There is still heated debate about the use of those bombs to destroy two cities.
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I too despise what we did with the 2 bombs, but I also know I probably wouldn’t be alive today if we hadn’t dropped them.
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I’m thankful I was not a member of the committee deciding this existential question.
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So it is, GP! What else would have stopped the Japanese? They were influenced by the Nazis who themselves were short before using an atomic bomb. War is not righteness. Let’s hope the present conflict does not need nuclear intervention. Best wishes, Michael
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I agree. I certainly hope people keep their heads when thinking about pushing that button!!
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As if often the case, this should not have been a choice between two ‘extremes’ (destroying two cities, or not using the bomb). By dropping ONE bomb on Army Imperial headquarters, a military base, of even Hirohito’s palace, Japan’s surrender could undoubtedly have been achieved. Will we never learn that there’s almost always a third choice: a middle ground which is usually a better (if imperfect) solution?
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I’ve long been an advocate of seeking middle ground and the “middle way”.
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Probably the hardest thing to deal with is the lack of understanding of the collective intent of the people gathered at that table. We know what we were told. I know what my father believed. I don’t think I know the whole story, and I’m not sure I ever will. The other thing we don’t know is what the alternate timeline would have been had we not dropped those two bombs. I look forward to Part-2, GP.
I love your line about, “that only leaves politics.”
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Thank you, Dan for your fine comment, and I agree that we will probably never know the whole story.
I believe that line about politics still applies to today, haha. What would the members of our government actually do for a living otherwise?
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Thank you, Ned.
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Thank you.
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