Shipping Them Home at the End of WWII
Here is a superb article on getting our troops home after the war.
Right between the sound machine
On a cloud of sound, I drift in the night
Any place it goes is right
Goes far, flies near
To the stars away from here
We can find
Why don’t you come with me little girl
On a magic carpet ride
From a forwarded email:
Can you imagine the logistical and administrative challenges involved in this operation?!! And, all before any computers! Staggering! AND, once they were in the US, getting them to out-processing stations and eventually home!
Remember what Eisenhower said at the end of the war, “Take pictures of the dead Holocaust Jewish people, a generation or two will never believe it happened”!!!
Returning the troops home after WWII was a daunting task….
The Magic Carpet that brought everyone home.
In 1939, there were 334,000 servicemen…
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Posted on June 8, 2020, in Home Front, Post WWII, Uncategorized, WWII and tagged 1940's, Army, family history, Military, Military History, Navy, POWs, WW2, WWII. Bookmark the permalink. 121 Comments.
Mustering out after every war is so different… I remember my Dad coming home from Vietnam, he and a handful of soldiers getting off a plane in uniform and with their duffel bags… then going on post the next day for “meetings”….Seemed somehow lonelier…more isolating… Not sure we have the “hang” of it yet, but it does “look” more supportive nowadays…
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It is more supportive than during Nam. I always felt sorry for them. They went through hell, made it out and no one appreciated it.
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And I want to say to them I appreciate Vietnam Vets every day.. and as an adult I respect them even more that they fought an untenable war without the support they deserved. They are MY heroes. And I love them every one.
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Your comment will be passed on, KC. In these trying times, silence from you and I does no one any good.
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Eisenhower was right to insist on pictures of the Holocaust camps.
Sad to say, despite the photos, many people 2 generations later, deny the Holocaust happened.
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People seem to feel better if they can rewrite history the way they like. I think we need to educate better, both at home and in our schools.
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Well said indeed Sir. It’s been sometime since I was on your lovely site forgive me. Your Country & mine are going through some terrible times right now. I fear for UK whats the saying “the lunatics have finally left the asylum”, we have Police guarding Buckingham Palace being chased away by blm/Antifa Anarchists Terrorists, Churchill’s Statue being defaced & wanted to be pulled down/The Cenotaph climbed and defaced our Union Flag burned, oh dear so many Brave Men including my Husband fought & gave their lives for the Freedom we have for the air these Anarchists breathe, here Race Relations have been set back 50 years, Anarchists want our History wiped out, you learn from History not destroy, Please Pray for old UK she’s in such danger.
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Those of us left sane in all this chaos need to stand firm and pray for each other. Between the pandemic fear and frustration and then total mob mania – we still have OUR principles!
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Well stated, indeed we still have those principles and Love/Loyalty for Our Countries. Take care.
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And you as well!!
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Thanks for sharing this one out. I knew it was an undertaking, but didn’t realize it was that much of one.
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I would not have enjoyed being in the logistics end of the military!!
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Operation Magic Carpet. Amazing.
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Being able to come home must have seemed like a dream.
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Excellent post, both the narrative and great pictures depicting a tumultuous yet joyful homecoming.
Great repost gp.
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I agree! I thought Pat did an outstanding job!
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Great article, GP!
(((HUGS)))
PS…I was AWOL, but like The Terminator, ” I’ll be bach!” and now, I am back. I explained in a blog I just now blogged. 🙂
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Gotcha!! 👍
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Great share… Amazing!
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Pat did an excellent job I believe! Thank you for reading it, Bette.
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Yes, come home! Lovely article… 🇺🇸
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Thanks.
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Thanks for an amazing blog. But I have a query for you. A few years ago on a Facebook group dedicated to Japanese Military swords, a poster showed a sword with an English note tucked into the saya (sheath). The sword evidently had been surrendered by a Japanese Lt. as a result of a naval battle between a junk crewed by the Japanese, and a raft crewed by US Navy and Army personnel won and took the surviving Japanese crew prisoner. It was described as the Navy’s last battle under sail. Have you heard of this engagement? I am searching for some detail on it. Evidently, it did take place but I can’t locate the annals for it. such an interesting engagement shouldn’t be forgotten.
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Is this what you’re thinking about?
https://www.navygeneralboard.com/the-last-naval-battle-of-world-war-2/
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Awesome share, GP. I enjoy Pat’s blog. Clicking over. Hugs on the wing!
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Happy to hear that, Teagan. Good people are drawn to each other!
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Another comment , GP. As if you don’t have enough to read already . Anyway: An uncle of mine flew a B-17 and went over to England on the Queen Mary . He and I visited that ship when they were first docking it in Long Beach as a hotel/ musuem . The workers let us wander around a bit . He related his memories of a stripped down wartime ship making constant evasive turns every eight minutes and every few hours to avoid submarines with the decks packed with soldiers . Another story that came to mind reading your post was when my father’s Navy ship was scheduled to come home after VJ day the captain decided to visit some Pacific island that he had apparently always wanted to see and so he re-routed adding a couple of extra days to the journey home . The ship was crowed with GIs, Marines , and sailors from island battles ready to return home ASAP who complained and evidently almost mutinied until the captain changed his plan . Thanks for your post to sparking my memory .
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Dan, you know I love first-hand stories. I thank you for taking the time to bring us your father’s and your uncle’s stories!! hahah, I sure wouldn’t blame those guys for holding a mutiny!!
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This is a very interesting article. Logistics has always been important in any warfare.
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I admire those guys. What a head for figures they must have had. At least today they have computers to help.
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Very interesting article with great illustrative photos. Most of my work career was in supply chain and logistics – this would have been one giant jigsaw puzzle. It was similar for Australian repatriations. You could argue less people, but correspondingly, less transport. And a nightmare for establishing who was where in the Japanese POW camps.
I often think (critically) about our (Australian) WWI repatriation. It took over a year to get them all back. What they did NOT bring back were all the horses that men had taken over. What they DID bring back was Spanish Flu.
The Matson Line luxury ocean liner SS Mariposa keeps making its way across my desk lately. My recent research pre-dated WWII, but in October 1945 it repatriated troops, and more famously, in 1946 it made four “BRIDE” trips, three from Brisbane and one from Sydney.
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Interesting, Gwendoline. Is your research into the Mariposa for a post or a book? The logistics for the military boggles my mind, no matter what instance!! (but I like jigsaws!)
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Neither. But it’s funny how it keeps cropping up. A fellow author wrote a book in which one of her characters sails in it as a war bride (The Passengers, Eleanor Limprecht, 2018). Then when I was in the States two years ago I met a distant relative who had also been an Australian war bride (not sure which vessel, but probably that). Then, in doing some family history for fellow blogger Derrick J Knight it cropped up again. One of his (Australian) relatives married a steward from the Mariposa, and arrived in San Francisco just as war was breaking out for Australia (1939).
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Small world gets smaller every day, doesn’t it!!
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Some superb photographs and some superb generosity from ordinary, local people towards the end of the post. Thank you for re-blogging this interesting piece.
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As soon as I started reading Pat’s work on this, I knew I would be reblogging it, John. I’m glad you agree with my assessment!!
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Those ships were so crowded but I bet there were few complaints because the men knew they were headed home. It boggles my mind to figure out how they found transportation home after they got off the ship in the U.S.
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Well, they wouldn’t just be let loose on the city. They would be on base until they received their discharge papers. Doctors had to check each one over, dentists, etc.
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Logistics … I reckon! Talk about packed in like sardines! Great post!
Also, great song, by the way. I always enjoyed Danny Kay and Steppenwolf.
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So glad you liked it, DC!!
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Some of them had to worry about getting stationed from Europe to the Pacific , too.
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True. I’ve heard different stories about that. I’ve read that the best were sent over and other tales of the officers in Europe getting rid of trouble-makers and lackeys but shipping them to the PTO.
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What an incredible piece of this story. I’ve seen, in history books, crowded ships, but never realised the crowded conditions and massive work involved in this homecoming journey. I wonder if our soldiers today could do this???
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Could you just imagine the complaints aboard a ship that crowded?! I’ll bet there would even be a lawsuit or two.
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Today’s world has only an inkling of an idea how to get along and be kind and grateful. :o)
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Oh, isn’t THAT the truth!! I wish I knew how to teach them.
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My father was in the 11th Airborne Division. Thanks Dad for my Freedom!
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I love hearing from a child of the 11th. Tell me more!!
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I’ll never forget Peggy’s father’s stories about making his way home form India. –Curt
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Flying, sailing or a combination?
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I just wonder if we would be capable of the logistic effort today…I know we have AI, but one slip in supplying details and there could be a mighty mess…
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So true. The military is long chain, and if one link is broken ….
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What an amazing feat to bring them home! Thanks for reblogging and thanks to equipsblog for posting. It’s claustrophobic looking at how many people were in one ship. Sending them to battle is one thing because they staggered them but bringing them home all at the same time could be a nightmare!
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haha, it sure looked like one to me, Rose.
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I didn’t think of that! food storage… good heavens.
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hahaha
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Great article GP! Thanks for pointing it out. My grandfather came to America in 1906 on the SS Prinzess Irene, a German ship sailing from Naples. It was seized during WW1 and the name was changed to “Pocahontas.” It became a troop ship carrying troops to Europe and later returning the home. Stay well.
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Then that ship has a remarkable history!! Thank you for sharing that story!
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The US became an exemplar of logistics, Napoleon less so. Great piece. Wow, to think Eisenhower thought that.
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We have a history of doing what we can – the best way we can. And our logistics experts came through!!
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They sure did 🙂
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GP, thank you for a wonderful post and insight on our troops coming home. I love the photos and one can only imagine their thoughts – joy for returning to loved ones and sorrow for experiences, but great patriotism for their willing service, and pride for a completed mission. Not to mention what families back home were feeling for those returning and those who never would. I certainly hope the lives of all on board were enriched following the war and that we have ensured their memories and history pass on. Their contribution was immeasurable.
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You and I always thnk so much alike. Thank you for being you, Karen, and for being so loyal to this site.
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Thank you, GP, and my pleasure. You are reflected in my eyes and probably all your loyal visitors for the wonderful work you do in diligently bringing WWII to life and informing us all.
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(blushing)
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Those are amazing numbers. And as you said, before computers! I don’t know how they did it.
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It takes a special sort of talent – and I sure don’t have it!!
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how amazing, and what a process
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Isn’t it though? I don’t have those kinds of smarts!!
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What amazing photos.
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I thought they were great myself, Joy!!
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An amazing undertaking that puts Dunkirk into perspective.
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Your men shouldn’t have been there, but that’s another story, eh? It takes an unusual mind to put all the logistics together. Thank you, Derrick.
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As history gets rewritten this is such an important story. You have taught so many so much about the military and how vital it is to maintaining our Democracy. Thank you.
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Thank you for saying so, JoHanna.
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Whether it’s supplying troops in the field or bringing them home, logistics is critical. Our civilian population learned a little about supply lines and the complexities of moving people from here to there when the pandemic first began. Things have eased considerably, but I do wonder whether we could handle a situation like troop repatriation in such a (relatively) efficient way today.
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Texas had quite a logistics problem right after Hurricane Katrina, didn’t they? Housing, feeding and medical care for so many who went homeless.
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Oh, gosh yes. It was quite an experience.
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It’s great that the government and our citizens went to such efforts to bring our service men and women home after the war. God bless America!
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The mind of the logistics experts always amaze me. Did you see how many were on one boat? Now try to imagine feeding them 3-times a day!!
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i have a hunch for anything other than a troop ship, they relied heavily on C-Rations or similar. The galley on a Navy ship is probably designed for their standard complement, more or less, so it would have to run 24 hrs/day to provide 2 meals a day.
Somebody must know. I’ll ask my vet friend how they fed him when returning.
Okay, he says because of a death in the family, he was flown on a C-54, island hopping to Hawaii. He was there about an hour before getting another plane back to the States.
I found the Ile de France daily troop menu. Breakfast: hard-boiled eggs, toast, jam, gruel, prunes, coffee/tea. An apple or an orange to eat for lunch. For dinner: meat, potatoes, 1 canned veg., soup, crackers, tea/coffee, US-style dessert (cake or cookies or similar). Most of the food was fresh, but prepared by British cooks. The consensus was that it was terrible.
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Thank you for bringing us this information.
I love the way the readers here help make this their own blog! By contributing family info, their research, etc. it becomes a chronicle for their own experiences and that of their families. Thank you once again, it is greatly appreciated.
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Thanks for sharing GP…intense…always mattering to understand more…peace Hedy ☺️✌️
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Much appreciated, Hedy. It must have been quite a sight seeing these men come home.
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Indeed GP…my parents rarely spoke of their war experiences…I now read more about the Dutch By NOS 75 years of liberation • Issue #41…so heartbreaking…I appreciate what you share so I learn more along the way ~ smiles Hedy
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Thank you!
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Thank you for another piece of useful information, GP! We should remember Eisenhower’s advice.Now we are in the time of the last survivors. Have a good week. Michael
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Yes, only the very last from the end of the war are left with us now. I think we learned to appreciate them far too late.
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Thats true, GP! Lets hope we will not forget,whats happend.
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Who can look at those pictures and read the stories, and not feel a swell of emotion. Thanks for sharing the post. And thanks to equipsblog.
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I think Pat did an outstanding job and I was honored to offer it to my readers for this Monday’s post!! I thank you for reading it.
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I was telling my mom about your blog – I mentioned all of them that I have read so far but we were talking mostly about the one where you mentioned the home construction (more industrial approach – factory builds). She asked it that was a response to the number of troops that came home all at once when the war ended. Now here is a post that illustrates the volume/numbers they had to deal with! I had no idea. Incredible! Gma would remember this – I’m going to ask her about it next time i see her (hopefully this afternoon) – Thanks for sharing this. That image of the POW’s broke my heart.
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It was certainly a massive logistics workout!! We were trying to straighten out what citizen belonged where (because Russia kept sending people back, they didn’t want to feed them), clothe and house everyone in Europe, Rebuild the different countries, do the same for Japan – on top of all that, get these men home. Take one look at the troops on that one ship going home and try to imagine feeding each one 3 times a day!!
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Officers got 3 meals a day; enlisted men 2, based on the Ile de France menu in troop ship service.
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GP, Thanks for sharing this with your viewers. Logistics is an underrated, overlooked aspect of a country’s ability to wage and sustain the warfighters. (And getting them home when it’s all over.) The Eisenhower School for National Security and Research Policy at the National Defense University prepares military officers and civilians for strategic leadership and success in developing a national security strategy and in evaluating, marshaling, and managing resources in the execution of that strategy. Ike was both a student and a professor at this school when it was still called the Industrial College of the Armed Forces.
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Thank you for including that information, Pat!!
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I worked at the NDU Library for over 15 years and always happy to share the NDU story when appropriate. Glad you liked it.
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Sometime tomorrow, try to stop back here and take a peek at all the comments!! You were a hit, just as I knew you would be!
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How much do I owe you for the plug?🤗🥂👍😄🍾
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haha, I hope you’re joking!!
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I am, and I do appreciate the plug. Don’t take that for granted.
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Thank you for posting this bit of history, Pat, and thank you, GP, for reblogging it!
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My pleasure, Lavinia. I knew her post was a hit the second I saw it!!
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Who would have believed then, that Eisenhower’s admonition foretold denial today? Do we never learn?
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I don’t believe humans actually want to.
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More the pity and I think you right.
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Indeed!!
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Eisenhower was prescient. Right below his warning about the military-industrial complex, he said this:
“The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded. Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.” –Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961
Ring any bells?
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Many bells! Somehow we disregarded them.
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Impressive effort. I don’t know about the WW2 situation but in the UK we had a number of problems in 1919 with riots and mutiny, as troops were not brought home quickly enough.
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It’s all in the logistics and I’m sure it was just as tough for WWI. But I didn’t know that, I learned something new today already, thanks!!
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I like the name Operation Magic Carpet. It was interesting to read as I’m sure this is how my grandfather arrived home.
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Thank you. It’s wonderful to know that your grandfather did make it home.
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A really interesting article about part of the end of the war that is often overlooked. When my dad was sent home from India in late 1946, his ship was diverted to Durban in South Africa to collect other troops, and it took many weeks before he got back to Britain.
Best wishes, Pete.
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So, you know first hand what a logistical hassle it was!! Thanks, Pete.
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What an amazing story. We have no conception of what went into that operation. quite incredible.
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Thank you for having an interest, Don.
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Thank you!
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Thank you very much, Steve for such an encouraging intro!
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