PT Boats – August 1945
In mid August, 30 squadrons of PT’s were in commission. Nineteen were in the 7th Fleet.
Admiral Kinkaid could not foresee a need for patrol boats around Japan and Korea, so The 7th Fleet boats became the Motor Torpedo Boat Squadrons Philippine Sea Frontier. The shooting was over but there were still jobs where they could be useful.
25-26 August – at Morotai, 16 PT’s under Lt.Comdr. T.R. Stansbury and Gen. Johnson got underway for a rendezvous with the commanders of the Japanese forces on Halmahera. The Japanese commanding general was not there. That was unacceptable.
The following day, BGen. Warren McNaught went with 6 PT boats and this time Lt.Gen. Ishii and Capt. Fujita, IJN commander were waiting. The boats carried them to the 93rd Div. headquarters on Morotai. It was here that they surrendered 37,000 troops, 4,000 Japanese civilians and a very large quantity of equipment. This was the force that the PT boats had held at bay for almost a year. The garrison commander, Col. Ouchi, reported that since 12 May, when 3 barges brought sorely needed supplies from Halmahera, not a single barge had crossed the 12-mile strait between the 2 islands. Two of those barges were destroyed by PT boats when they attempted to return.
In the central Philippines, Pt 489 and 492 of Squadron 33 carried U.S. Army personnel and members of the Japanese surrender commission to isolated enemy outposts on Samar, Masbate and Romblon to accept the surrender of more than 500 enemy troops.
The Navy Depart. properly got rid of most of the PT’s; their job was done. Because of their light wooden construction they could not be stored away for future use as the steel-hulled ships were.
All the boats in the western Pacific were carefully surveyed. It was found that 118 hulls were defective due to broken frames, worms and dry rot, broken keels, cracked longitudinals * or battle damage. These boats were stripped of all salvageable material and the bare hulls were burned on the beach at Samar.
Squadrons 4, 41 and 42 were being saved for training purposes and experimental work.
Behind the decision to cut the PT force so drastically, besides the obvious reason of economy, there was a realization that in the end of the old boats was the beginning of a new PT boat. There were no major changes in design in the 80-foot Elco and the 78-foot Higgins, but with the war’s end, they could afford to take their time to redesign in light of 4-years worth of experience.
In 1951, the Navy accepted the first post-war PT’s. They were all aluminum hulls and powered by 4 Packard engines of considerable higher horsepower than the original. The first one built, PT-809 was built by the Electric Boat Co. The overall length of the boat was 98 feet and the max beam was 26 feet. PT-810 by Bath Iron Works; PT-811 by John Trumpy & Sons and the last experimental one, PT-812 was built by Philadelphia Naval Shipyard and equipped with gas turbines. These boats operated as Motor Torpedo Squadron-1 from 1954-59.
* Longitudinals – (a system for framing vessels in which light, closely spaced, longitudinal frames are connected by heavy, widely spaced transverse frames with deep webs.)
Information derived from: “At Close Quarters, PT Boats in the United States Navy” by Robert J. Bulkley
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Farewell Salutes –
Anthony Bosico – Haverstraw, NY; US Navy, WWII, submarine service, USS Grouper & tender Proteus
Jerry Cruce – Grayson, GA; US Merchant Marine, WWII
William Duncan – Tofield, CAN; RC Army, WWII, 5th BC Coat Brigade/25th General Pioneers
Frank Greco – Hendersonville, NC; US Army Air Corps, WWII, Korea & Vietnam (Ret. 30 y.)
Charles Heath Gauley Bridge, WV, US Navy, WWII, USS Wyoming
George Johnson – Terre Haute, IN; US Army Air Corps, WWII, PTO, 11th Airborne Division, artillery
William Lewis – McGuffey, OH; US Navy, WWII, PTO, radioman, USS New Orleans
Jack Meyers – Seattle, WA; US Army Air Corps, WWII, B-29 mechanic
Stanley Szuba – Linden, NJ; USMC, WWII
John Widelski – New Bedford, MA; US Navy, gunner’s mate, USS Wingfield & Bronstein
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Posted on February 28, 2019, in WWII and tagged 1940's, History, Military, Military History, Navy, Pacific War, PT boats, veterans, war, WW2, WWII. Bookmark the permalink. 113 Comments.
Reblogged this on Ned Hamson's Second Line View of the News.
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Thank you, Ned!
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The Packard V-12s in those PT boats were a thing of glory:
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ah – you should know, Packardman!! Thanks for the link!
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BTW, is Robert J. Bulkley related to John Bulkley, the PT squadron commander who transported MacArthur off Corrigedor? He was awarded the Medal of Honor for his squadron’s heroics in the early days of the war in and around the PI — which was the basis for the 1945 John Ford film “They Were Expendable.”
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I can not locate any connection between the men. Robert J. Bulkley Jr. was a Captain in the US Navy (Ret.)
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Thanks for posting this GP. I wondered what happen to all the PT boats at the end of WWII. Apparently similar fate to that of all the propeller-driven aircraft manufactured by so many companies across America at the dawn of the Jet Age: scrap heap.
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And we certainly have plenty of those!
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Great piece of the background on the PT boats and history gp, can’t recall reading much about the exploits of the PT’s during the war, seems like they were mainly rear guard echelon.
Cheers
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They did a lot of work against the “Tokyo Express”, lifeguard missions, distracting larger enemy ships, etc.
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This brought a memory flooding back. When I was a kid I had a couple of PT boats as toys. My dad used to get me loads of WWII stuff as he served during the war mainly in Iceland. So found this post so fascinating thank you.
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Thank you for bringing your memory to us. Is your father still with us?
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Sadly went 30 years ago. So many missed questions about his war experience.
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I can certainly relate to that!
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He died before the importance sunk in. Apart from he was a Sergeant Major in the Yorkshire Regiment and part of the war he was based in Iceland – not sure about much else. I remember a story of his train getting through a station just before it was bombed. Got a couple of photos of him with some of his section in the snow. Kick myself everyday about not asking more questions.
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Thank you for telling us what you know.
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It’s quite amazing the feats that the Americans pulled off during WWII when it came to shipbuilding’
The ship that the last of todays salutes served on the
USS Wingfield ,
Was Laid down 7th October 1943
Launched 30th December 1943
Commissioned 29th January 1944
Four months from start to finish to build arm complete and launch and commission, would be impossible these days.
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By the Bye the other ship he served on the USS Bronstein was built after the war and took 2 years 2 months.
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Now, doesn’t that just figure!!
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Yep!
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Now that you mention it – you’re quite right. Today’s ships seem to take forever. I imagine they’d say it is because of all the new technology that goes into them these days. Ah, progress, where would we be without it?! lol
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and there was a real BIG war going on at the time. Sort of incentive GP
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PT boats from America, Canada, Britain and other allies were awesome. Their contributions to victory in several theatres of WWII has not received the credit they and their heroic crews richly deserve.
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So true. I know we sure didn’t learn about them in school.
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You have a gift for ensuring your facts are easily absorbed by wrapping them in such readable text. Thanks so much for taking the time and trouble to complete yet another riveting update.
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I appreciate you dropping by to read this episode.
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My father was a navy corpsman during the Pacific War. He once told me about a destroyer that was torpedoed by a Japanese submarine. Since he’d always wanted to ride in a PT Boat, he got permission from his ship’s doctor to go to the destroyer to assist the wounded. It was a PT boat that carried him to her.
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Obviously he was being thanked for volunteering! Thanks for the story! I always enjoy them.
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Zeer gede informatie over die boten .Ik stond er van versteld dat ze in hout gemaakt werden.En spijtig dat ze nadien allemaal verbrand werden
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Het is een schande dat ze werden vernietigd, maar het was gewoon niet rendabel om ze mee naar huis te nemen, vooral in de vorm waarin ze zich bevonden. Sommige zijn er nog steeds, ze zijn opgeknapt, maar ze zijn erg duur.
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Thank you again for sharing. I am blessed.
Sincerely and with gratitude.
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We are all blessed to be living here, Sheila. The only difference is, some don’t realize it because they’re too busy complaining. 🙂
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Reblogged this on Truth Troubles.
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Thank you!
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Thank you for the information, I appreciate you posting it. I am going to reblog this one for you Sir.
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I’m glad you found this interesting.
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All of those PT boats discarded and yesterday I saw a trailer for the imminent sale of the one and only German E-boat and the asking price is £5 million ($6.7 million). It would have been more if it had worked!
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WHOA! I didn’t know there were any left at all, no wonder the price was so high!! You always have such unique information, John! I know there are some PT boats for sale, but I can’t afford their price either, lol.
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I enjoyed this post – very informative. Fast, cheap and lethal. The PTs filled an important gap in coastal defence and narrow waterways. The design concept is valid even now and serves as a poor man’s (nation’s) navy.
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They were unique and served a valid purpose. Now that you mention it, I can think of many ways they could be used today. Thanks!
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Great info about the PT’s!
And the humor was super humorous! I snort-laughed! 😀
(((HUGS))) 🙂
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A good laugh always makes me smile. Thank you for letting me know I caused it!
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Excellent little boats even if they were not built to last. They did a remarkable job in difficult circumstances, it’s just a shame more didn’t survive.
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Agreed. I was just telling a reader how it always made me a bit sad that so many were destroyed.
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn’t it. So many could have been saved but money and the desire to forget are very strong influences.
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Sounds like they at least salvaged some of the materials from the PT boats and used some of them to develop an improved model. Finding ways to improve is always a good thing in my mind.
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I’ve always been a bit sad about so many of the boats being destroyed, but you’re quite right, Bev!
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The story of the men that manned these PT Boats needs to be told
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I very much agree!!
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Reblogged this on depolreablesunite.
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Much appreciated, Rick!
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Reblogged this on John Cowgill's Literature Site.
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Much appreciated, John!
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Great story to share.
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I can tell I’m going to be coming here often. I had no clue the role PTs played after the war was over. Someplace in there is a great book.
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This info was partly derived from “At Close Quarters”, but there are quite a few books on the subject, don’t get hung up on only PT-109.
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Especially liked the corpsman cartoon–as I once was one.
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haha, did you carry the handy-dandy mandatory roll of duct tape? My new nephew-in-law became one too, now stationed on Okinawa. You must have some unique stories, Adam.
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Indeed, I do. Some a little risqué, but funny.
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Are any on-line? Did I miss them or forget? (That’s been happening a lot lately – scary)
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There was the story about Ms. B. Rodgers, Senior NCO’s wife, that moonlighted as a stripper. Was extremely concerned about the appearance of her ample bosoms. When she came in the clinic, some doctors, and enlisted men avoided talking to her, for fear of sexual implications.
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haha, can you imagine in today’s world?!! They’d really be tripping over themselves to get out of the room altogether!
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It was bad enough when we worked night shift, unaccompanied, in the women’s ward. That wouldn’t happen today, either.
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No, I don’t think it would. 🙂
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I love military boats, as long as i am not forced to got with them. 😉 I hate swimming! 😉 Thank you for another great piece of information. Michael
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haha, I understand. I used to swim a lot, but now it just means more exercise to me! Glad you enjoyed the post, Michael. Always a pleasure to hear from you.
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😉
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I never realized that the first PT boats were wooden. That would have been something to contend with — better to dispose of them and start again. People from the Pacific NW and New England sometimes wonder at our lack of wooden boats here in Texas. The reason is mostly biological; there are creatures that love to eat them — any wooden boat here tends to be trailered, and kept out of the water. I suspect our critters are at least related to the destructive little borers of the Pacific.
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The warm water must breed those worms. I don’t know much about them except how much damage they can do. But I do love those tall ships!
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PT boats always remind me of JFK’s story, which is how I first heard of them…
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Certainly, that’s how many learned about the boats. I’ve often thought JFK should have stayed in the Navy, it was his best achievement done solely by himself, with no help from his father.
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That’s a good point about JFK
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Some people get angry when I say something like that, but sometimes the truth hurts.
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True
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I found the cartoon pretty good too. 😀
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Glad to hear it.
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Mostly just from reading and movies, I developed a fondness for those boats, and a fair amount of respect for the sailors who would take them out .
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They certainly did their job back then. (Even on TV in McHale’s Navy!!)
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I loved that show 🙂
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You, me and Smitty too!
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Thank you, GP. Very interesting information.
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Thank you for reading it, John.
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😊
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Great cartoons and info about PT boats later in the war. Did you ever watch McHale’s Navy back in the 60s?
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Did I ever? McHale was everyone’s favorite Skipper! For a sitcom, it sure had a fantastic cast!
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Even PT boats have to evolve. Sigh. As for the cartoon, I’d probably go for the geek to be more dangerous in this day and age. 🙂 –Curt
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I agree with you on the geek, Curt. It was a shame the PT’s basically disappeared.
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🙂 It seems to me that there would still be a role for the PT boat. –Curt
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You’d think, wouldn’t you?!
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Always wanted a PT boat of my very own! Great post!
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It sure looks like fun, doesn’t it?!
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Interesting. Any idea what model JFK’s PT 109 was?
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PT-109 was an Elco 80-footer. Thank you for your interest.
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Never really gave the PT boat’s demise a thought. This is truly interesting and thought-provoking, GP!
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They just sort of disappeared from the records in the normal history books, eh?! That’s why I love sharing on the internet!
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Such iconic boats, GP.
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I wish so many of them hadn’t been destroyed, but they were considered expendable. Shucks.
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Terrific post on the PTs!! As the son of a PT Radioman, I really appreciate this excellent information that you shared with your readers. And I learned a few things, too! Thank you for that. Keep up the great work. Steve
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I was wondering if I’d see you, Stephen. Thank you for dropping in!
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Reblogged this on Dave Loves History.
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Thanks, Dave.
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Interesting read. I don’t know if you are aware, but the National World War II Museum in New Orleans has restored a PT boat. For a charge, they take people out on the lake on it.
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I received the quarterly report from them, and there’s a couple of articles I want to post here. They are always growing and adding to the museum. Thank you for bringing that up!
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Those boats must have been fun to ride in at high speed, but you have to imagine how loud they were.
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True. They did an amazing job with what little they had to work with!
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PT boats of wooden construction were not a match for the steel-framed warship but they played a role during the war. PT boats were also used as part of the “welcoming committee” of Admiral Oldendorf at the Battle of Leyte Gulf. Thirty nine PT boats were lined up to meet Admiral Nishimura force at the entrance of Surigao Strait.
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Those PT crews were like mosquitoes on a hot summer day! They took a lot of chances, and did their job expertly. Thank you for adding to the post, Rose. You sure know your P.I. history!
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The PT crews are brave men! I try to read as much as I can about the Pacific theater. I still have a lot to learn especially from you. I’m reading Sea of Thunder right now and it’s a fascinating read about Halsey, Kurita, Ugaki and Evans (Commander of USS Johnston).
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Admiral Ugaki not only duped Adm. Halsey, but sent the last kamikaze up on a mission to Okinawa after hearing the Emperor’s surrender speech. I’m sure you’re learning info I am not aware of, I have never read that book.
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Love the cartoon!
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Thank you.
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That’s an interesting overview of PT boat action and their evolution, GP.
Great carton too! 🙂
Best wishes, Pete.
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Glad you found it interesting, Pete. I try to leave people with a smile, despite the subject matter.
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