Posted by GP Cox
Posted on February 4, 2017, in Uncategorized, WWII and tagged History, Military, Navy, WW2, WWII. Bookmark the permalink. 37 Comments.
Excellent, thoroughly enjoyed that historical post gp, first time I have actually seen what a manned torpedo looked like.
Interesting to read only 17 German U Boats were around in 1939.
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I suppose they thought it was too small to be effective. Thanks for visiting, Ian.
Superb article to read and every time i find something I don’t know.
I am very glad to hear that, MaryLou.
Great article and photos.
Yes, Kevin did an outstanding job.
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Fascinating. How fortunate the Allies were for these Axis deficiencies. One thing I did not understand. Did the Italian manned torpedoes require that the frogmen operating them commit suicide? Thanks, as always, for the education.
I do not believe so. These were not the suicide submarines of Japan. I thank you very much for your interest, Anna.
Fortunately a sound analysis (incidentally, both Jackie and my fathers were at Dunkirk)
Thank God they both returned!!
Yes. My Dad had the job of driving towards the front line to pick up soldiers and take them to the beach – time and again.
I really, really enjoy reading these you post. As much as I think I know about then, I get giddy when I learn something(s) new! 🙂
We should all take your example and be open for learning something new everyday.
I believe it was Confucius that said, “He who only listens to himself, learns nothing.”
Excellent article packed with information that hadn’t occurred to me. Thanks for linking to it.
You’re welcome, Peggy. Kevin is quite the professional.
You know, GP, even old photos of those big war vessels cause a glitch in my gut.
It amazes me, when I look at them, that the vessels are so massive and yet our home front work force produced them at record speeds. Thanks for coming by.
I know – truly incredible what we can accomplish with the right motivation (and support from the Appropriations Committee – lol)
As ludicrous as this may sound, Hitler may not have needed the fleet they had projected to build that was sidelined. (including aircraft carriers)
Had Donitz been given the numbers of U-boats he wanted prior to hostilities, they could well have starved Britain into submission by the fall of 1940. (A numbing thought considering the consequences).
Excerpt from the WW II database:
“By now among the world’s forefront submarine expert, Dönitz pushed for a German fleet consisted almost entirely of U-boats, claiming that the ability to deprive Germany’s enemies of vital supplies such as food and oil was more effective than sinking enemy ships with the risk of combat. He claimed that given 300 of the newer Type VII U-boats, he could defeat the entire British navy utilizing tactics that would later be named “wolfpacks”. Much of his lobbying went unheard as his superior, Grand Admiral Erich Raeder was a traditionalist who believed in surface ships, and further Raeder did not believe Germany had a chance to contest the control of the sea from the British. In addition, Raeder thought submarine warfare was cowardly.”
The reputation of the British Navy was quite the contributing factor. Thank you for your assessment.
It’s been said many times before, Japan and the Axis powers were never going to overpower the US Navy, by the time of Japan’s surrender the US had amassed 6000 ships of every class and size. I read a quote but can’t remember who said it but goes…”He who controls the oceans, controls the world”…even with such a massive force the US had other weapons at their disposal that Japan couldn’t come to terms with, for one the US commands ability for adjustment in the midst of a fight, Japan’s inflexibility of command and inter-service rivalries hindered their effectiveness, the US intelligence services were reading Japanese plans almost verbatim, we saw this intelligence effectiveness at the Battle of Midway, the Japanese never could meet the changing realities of the war in the Pacific. The Japanese also miscalculated the stomach of the US fighting man, I have interviewed WW2 veterans and I asked them what their thoughts were when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, each and every one of them said they were angry as hell. Because Pearl was a surprise, the war was made personal and service aged men in the US signed up for military service in unprecedented numbers until the had US amassed a 16 million force for what was just and right. The US fighting man steeled himself for a tough fight that was only going to end one way, with victory. The US Navy and the Japanese first met at Coral Sea, tactically the battle was a draw, stratically it was huge win for the US and especially Australia, afterwards the US could choose when and where to attack until the war ended in a blinding flash over Hiroshima and Nagasaki in August 1945…
You’ve made a quick and good summation of the differences between the countries. Your quote, perhaps is from Sir Walter Raleigh, who said, “Whoever commands the sea, commands the trade, whoever commands the trade of the world, commands the riches of the world and consequently the world itself.”
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Yes that quote sounds right, it was quite sometime ago…but just so many areas the axis were deficient to the allies…like your recent article of the floating dry docks for instance, the thought of support was not implemented to the level as in the allies or of the US more specifically. Only something like 35% of the 16 million strong US force was actually combat in nature, the rest were in support, administrative or training…just far too well thought out in every facet…we were fortunate to have such foresight in our leaders of the time…
This was a great article with lots of information. It is so important to have a strong military capability.
Kevin always does a thorough job of research for his posts. A real pro at it.
Looks like you follow in his shoes, lol
Thanks, that is quite a compliment!
Nice read. Again, stuff I’d never heard about.
There is so much information out there and new items becoming de-classified, I think it’s nearly impossible for any one person to even find it all!
I was surprised to learn about the U-Boats. I just always assumed that that was a huge ocean-going fleet.
Great Read.An interesting subject to breach as well when talking about Germany’s healthy “Fear” of England was the proposed full invasion of England called Operation Sealion in 1940 during the Battle of Britain. Of course Hitler abandoned this plan and instead invaded the Soviet Union in 1941, which created a 2 front war and sealed his fate eventually.
Good addition to the post here, thank you.
An interesting overview from Kevin. As regards Italy and Germany, I have read elsewhere of their unreasonable fear of the Royal Navy. That reputation must have saved many lives.
Best wishes, Pete.
Kevin does a great analysis of each subject he gets into. I’m sure the reputation of such a renowned naval force was a good reason for Germany to fear them.
The Royal Navy far overshadowed the Kreigsmarine, Hitler was right to fear the British Navy, its the big reason why Operation Sea Lion was never implemented. Also the U.K. was very lucky the English Channel separated them from mainland Europe, because after Dunkirk, German Panzers would rolled thru London just has they did thru Paris…
I think that is a fair assessment. Thank you for commenting and contributing to the post.
The Channel has always been a big help, that’s for sure!
Best wishes, Pete.
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